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02/17/2012 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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08:08:50 AM Superintendent Presentation: Fairbanks North Star Borough School District
08:35:06 AM HB313
09:48:58 AM Adjourn
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Fairbanks Northstar Borough
*+ HB 313 STUDENT COUNT ESTIMATES TELECONFERENCED
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 17, 2012                                                                                        
                           8:08 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Alan Dick, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Lance Pruitt, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: FAIRBANKS NORTH STAR BOROUGH SCHOOL DISTRICT                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      - HEARD                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 313                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to student counts and estimates for public                                                                     
school funding; and providing for an effective date."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 313                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: STUDENT COUNT ESTIMATES                                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) FEIGE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
02/03/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
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02/17/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PETE LEWIS, Superintendent                                                                                                      
Fairbanks North Star Borough School District                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided the presentation  of the Fairbanks                                                             
North Star Borough School District.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ERIC FEIGE                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 313, as Prime Sponsor.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PASCAL, Staff                                                                                                           
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Presented   HB  313   on   behalf   of                                                             
Representative Feige, Prime Sponsor.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DUNCAN WARE, Superintendent                                                                                                     
Delta Greely School District                                                                                                    
Delta Junction, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified  in  support  of  HB  313,  and                                                             
responded to questions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:08:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ALAN DICK  called the  House Education  Standing Committee                                                             
meeting  to order  at  8:08 a.m.    Representatives Dick,  Feige,                                                               
Seaton,  and   Pruitt  were  present   at  the  call   to  order.                                                               
Representatives Cissna,  Kawasaki, and  P. Wilson arrived  as the                                                               
meeting was in progress.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^Superintendent  Presentation:   Fairbanks  North   Star  Borough                                                               
School District                                                                                                                 
   Superintendent Presentation - Fairbanks North Star Borough                                                               
                        School District                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:08:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK announced that the first  order of business would be a                                                               
presentation by  the superintendent  of the Fairbanks  North Star                                                               
Borough School District.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:09:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PETE LEWIS,  Superintendent, Fairbanks North Star  Borough School                                                               
District,  provided a  presentation of  the Fairbanks  North Star                                                               
Borough School  District, beginning with the  demographics of the                                                               
area,  which includes  35 schools,  serving  a minimally  growing                                                               
population of  approximately 14,267 students, with  an ethnic mix                                                               
that  is predominantly  white,  but with  a  fast growing  multi-                                                               
ethnic  category.     He  reviewed  other   facts  regarding  the                                                               
district,  which  include:   44  spoken  languages, 365  homeless                                                               
students, 31  percent of  students eligible  for free  or reduced                                                               
lunches,  special  education  services encompassing  14  handicap                                                               
conditions,  and 145  bus routes,  accumulating over  one million                                                               
miles being  driven annually  to transport  7,000 students.   The                                                               
buses are housed in two  heated bus barn locations; Fairbanks and                                                               
Moose Creek.   Transportation is  subsidized from  the district's                                                               
operating  fund,  and represents  an  area  of economic  concern.                                                               
Moving  on   to  student  performance,   he  reported   a  steady                                                               
graduation  rate  improvement from  54  percent  in 2007,  to  71                                                               
percent in  2011, a  gain of 17  percent.  The  5 year  cohort is                                                               
75.5 percent.   The dropout rate has decreased,  from 7.3 percent                                                               
in  2005, to  3.9 percent  in  2001, and  is at  0.6 percent  for                                                               
students under 16  years of age.  He added  that, during the same                                                               
timeframe, the dropout rate for  Native Alaskans has been reduced                                                               
by half.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:14:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEWIS  provided a  series  of  published news  articles,  to                                                               
emphasize  student  achievements.   The  stories  focused on  the                                                               
performance   of  the   students   in   community  and   regional                                                               
activities,  as  well as  participation  and  recognition on  the                                                               
national  level.    He   characterized  academic  performance  in                                                               
general as high, with Fairbanks  students outperforming others in                                                               
the  state   and  nation,  as  indicated   by  standardized  test                                                               
assessments.     The  standard  based  assessment   (SBA)  scores                                                               
indicate  that  many of  the  schools  have met  the  proficiency                                                               
targets for  language arts and  math, but,  he said:   "We're all                                                               
going  to be  in AYP  [average yearly  progress] jail,  here very                                                               
soon."   The requirement is for  100 percent of students  to meet                                                               
the  required  federal standard  by  FY  14,  and he  provided  a                                                               
graphic to  indicate AYP targets  that may prove  elusive leading                                                               
up to FY  14.  He suggested that the  means for measuring student                                                               
performance  may need  to  be reconsidered  and  broadened to  be                                                               
multi-faceted in order to ensure a well-rounded education.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:19:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEWIS paraphrased  graduation  statistics, which  read:   80                                                               
percent  graduating  seniors gave  schools  an  "A" or  "B";  868                                                               
graduates;   46  dropouts;   50  percent   enrolled  in   college                                                               
immediately  following; and  70 percent  enrolled in  college any                                                               
time during  first two years.   He pointed out that  the district                                                               
has  92 students  who are  past  the graduation  year with  their                                                               
cohorts but are  on to complete the high school  requirements.  A                                                               
review  of the  Scholastic  Achievement Test  (SAT) and  American                                                               
College Testing  (ACT) scores indicates that  Fairbanks leads the                                                               
state,  and the  nation, in  all areas;  English, math,  reading,                                                               
science  reasoning,  and  composite.   Further,  he  reported  63                                                               
percent  of  students  score  a   three  or  higher  on  advanced                                                               
placement  tests; the  national average  is 58  percent.   Career                                                               
technical education  (CTE) is also  an area  of focus and  of the                                                               
graduating  seniors 53  percent  enrolled in  a  CTE course  and,                                                               
further,  85  percent   of  those  who  attended   said  that  it                                                               
influenced  their educational  goals.   The district  has entered                                                               
into  apprenticeship agreements  with  four labor  groups in  the                                                               
area, and  is also offering  internship opportunities  at Eielson                                                               
Air Force Base.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:23:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEWIS discussed  the  Alaska  Performance Scholarship  (APS)                                                               
pointing out  the number of  students qualifying for each  of the                                                               
three levels:   98, level 1 Honors; 73, level  2 Achievement, and                                                               
112, level  3 Opportunity.   Two students also qualified  for the                                                               
newly   introduced    WorkKeys   Career/Technical   scholarships.                                                               
Scholarship  information,   as  well  as  an   imbedded  tracking                                                               
mechanism,  is accessible  via the  district's website,  he said,                                                               
and provided an illustration of the home page.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:24:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEWIS  continued, stating that  innovation is  important, and                                                               
explained the technological advances  that are being conducted in                                                               
the district.   The iPad  App Track is  one area that  has proven                                                               
helpful to  manage the applications  and variety of  devices that                                                               
are  being utilized  in  the district  from  the central  control                                                               
office.   He  said that  being able  to adjust  settings, provide                                                               
curriculum,  and offer  general  support from  a single  location                                                               
streamlines  the efforts  and represents  a cost  savings to  the                                                               
district.    Specific  curriculum   can  be  routed  through  the                                                               
devices, and  resources can easily be  shared between classrooms.                                                               
The technology  support is  an important  aspect of  the district                                                               
infrastructure.   Finishing,  he emphasized  the good  work being                                                               
accomplished    by   the    teachers,   facilitators    and   the                                                               
administrative staff,  and solicited  continued support  from the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:29:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK noted  that the  graduates are  asked to  score their                                                               
school  experience,  and he  praised  the  district's efforts  to                                                               
receive and  utilize the feedback  from students,  introducing an                                                               
element of customer satisfaction.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:29:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  commented on  the project and  theme based                                                               
approaches  in the  CTE courses  and pointed  out that  continued                                                               
funding hinges  on measurable improvement.   He said it  is clear                                                               
from  the  dropout  declines,  graduation  increases,  and  score                                                               
statistics  that  strides  are  being  made,  and  commended  the                                                               
superintendent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:30:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON  asked, "The current year ...  as far as                                                               
your budgeting goes, how are you fairing?"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEWIS responded that the FY  13 budget is projected to have a                                                               
$12.3  million  dollar  reduction,  and  a  series  of  cuts  are                                                               
planned.   He  said efforts  are continuing,  at the  legislative                                                               
level to obtain increases for school funding.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON referred  to the American  Recovery and                                                               
Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA)  federal funds, and asked how the                                                               
money was applied throughout the district.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEWIS answered that it  was used for technology purchases and                                                               
one-time  support,  as  well  as to  fund  a  graduation  success                                                               
coaching program,  but no on-going  expenses are  associated with                                                               
the ARRA funds.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  queried whether  the coaching  program                                                               
will be revived.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEWIS  replied  no,  and  indicated  that  the  program  was                                                               
previously  cut.   Further, considering  the need  to reduce  the                                                               
budget by 12.2 million, 90 positions are expected to be cut.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  questioned   the  best  way  for  the                                                               
district to  receive funding; through the  foundation formula, or                                                               
otherwise.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEWIS  said the  foundation formula is  the best  vehicle for                                                               
increased funding,  as it provides  a static amount  for planning                                                               
purposes,   which    is   important   for    communicating   with                                                               
constituents,  and eliminates  the yo-yo  effect caused  by short                                                               
term funding.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:33:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  referred  to  the  website  and  the  APS                                                               
tracking  system   to  inquire  if  the   information  is  easily                                                               
available for access and whether a password is required.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEWIS answered that it  is available to students and parents,                                                               
and  does require  a  password  for access.    The site  provides                                                               
information on  the student,  which includes  grades, attendance,                                                               
and  other  sensitive material  intended  for  use by  individual                                                               
students and their parents.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                 HB 313-STUDENT COUNT ESTIMATES                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:35:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  313,  "An  Act relating  to  student counts  and                                                               
estimates  for  public  school  funding;  and  providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:35 a.m. to 8:36 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:36:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ERIC  FEIGE, Alaska State  Legislature, introduced                                                               
HB 313,  paraphrasing from the  sponsor statement, which  read as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Our school  districts need effective tools  to plan and                                                                    
     budget for  the education  of our  children.   Under HB
     313 - subject to  the hold harmless provisions, changes                                                                    
     in  the   Base  Student  Allocation  [BSA],   or  other                                                                    
     legislative  changes  -  districts   will  be  able  to                                                                    
     complete  the  budget  process and  determine  staffing                                                                    
     levels earlier,  eliminate unnecessary  layoff notices,                                                                    
     and  execute   employment  contracts  to   improve  the                                                                    
     stability of the education climate in the state.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The  purpose of  the bill  is to  base the  funding for                                                                    
     each school  district in the  state on the  count under                                                                    
     A.S.  14.17.600 for  the preceding  fiscal  year.   For                                                                    
     example,  the  count  conducted in  October  2012  will                                                                    
     establish the  funding level for  the district  for the                                                                    
     2014 Fiscal Year [FY].                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  new  funding formula  will  not  change the  "hold                                                                    
     harmless"  clause   currently  in  existence.     If  a                                                                    
     decrease in enrollment of five  percent or more occurs,                                                                    
     the  district will  continue to  receive funding  based                                                                    
     upon  the  Average  Daily  Membership  [ADM]  plus  the                                                                    
     75/50/25 percent  addition over  the next  three years.                                                                    
     Other provisions of the  foundation formula will remain                                                                    
     as well.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     If a district  has an actual increase  in student count                                                                    
     of  greater than  five percent,  this legislation  will                                                                    
     require   the  Department   of  Education   to  provide                                                                    
     supplemental funding  to the  district for  the current                                                                    
     fiscal year  equal to Average Daily  Membership for the                                                                    
     current year.   For example, if the  October 2013 count                                                                    
     is  five percent  larger than  the October  2012 count,                                                                    
     the  Department will  provide  supplemental funding  to                                                                    
     the  district  for  Fiscal  Year   2014  equal  to  the                                                                    
     increase in  the Average  Daily Membership  between the                                                                    
     October 2012 count and the October 2013 count.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The new funding method will  implement with the FY 2014                                                                    
     year.   Thus, the count  conducted in the fall  of 2012                                                                    
     will provide the funding level  for both FY 2013 and FY                                                                    
     2014, subject to the hold harmless provisions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     An  important  consideration  in this  legislation  is,                                                                    
     except for  Fiscal Year 2014, the  actual funding given                                                                    
     a  district will  not change,  only the  timing of  the                                                                    
     funding.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:40:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PASCAL,  Staff, Representative  Eric Feige,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  suggested  that the  concept  and  base numbers  be                                                               
considered  prior to  determining what  may occur  in a  specific                                                               
fiscal year.   He emphasized  the need to provide  districts with                                                               
advance  BSA funding  to  allow for  appropriate  planning.   The                                                               
problem of basing the funding  on existing student counts is that                                                               
it  does not  allow  for  advance budgeting;  you  can't count  a                                                               
student  until enrollment  is realized.   However,  if the  count                                                               
system is  based on  a previous year's  adjustments can  be made.                                                               
He  opined  that  large enrollment  changes  would  represent  an                                                               
anomaly and could be adjusted for over a period of years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:43:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DUNCAN WARE,  Superintendent, Delta Greely School  District, said                                                               
the process of funding could  be improved by applying the current                                                               
student count to  the coming year and allow  for forward funding.                                                               
He opined  that budgeting by  guess work could be  eliminated and                                                               
stability  provided, by  enacting this  change.   Three questions                                                               
rule a  district's budgeting process:   1) how many  students are                                                               
expected, 2)  how much will be  received per student, and  3) the                                                               
actual   enrollment   number   based  on   the   October   count.                                                               
Eliminating  the  October variable,  and  using  a solid  number,                                                               
which could then be adjusted for  in a planned manner, during the                                                               
next  budget cycle,  would  provide a  confidence  level that  is                                                               
currently  lacking,   he  said.    Teacher   retention  would  be                                                               
positively affected,  as non-tenured personnel would  not need to                                                               
be  put on  notice every  March 15th,  and await  notification of                                                               
retention  or layoff;  provided on  the  last day  of the  school                                                               
year.   During this  limbo time,  teachers seek  other positions,                                                               
and  the  ripple  effect  is   felt  throughout  the  school  and                                                               
community.     The   district  risks   losing  highly   qualified                                                               
personnel, and everyone involved is impacted.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:47:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  inquired whether  it is more  important to                                                               
have  a  fixed  attendance  number to  apply  to  the  foundation                                                               
formula,  or to  know what  the formula  amount will  be, pending                                                               
legislative approval.   Further, he asked for clarity  on how the                                                               
BSA would  be established, applied, and  adjusted.  Specifically,                                                               
he questioned  whether a  district with  a current  enrollment of                                                               
nine  thousand  realizing  a four  percent  increase,  about  360                                                               
students, could  absorb the  associated costs  without additional                                                               
funding for the year.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:48:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARE  said the primary budget  question is based on  the BSA,                                                               
and that is  what currently dictates the funding level.   He said                                                               
removing  the  BSA  variable would  be  beneficial  for  planning                                                               
purposes,  even  if the  funding  remained  flat.   Regarding  an                                                               
increase in  the actual  ADM, he  said it is  a matter  of scale.                                                               
The  grade level  distribution of  students  entering the  system                                                               
would  play an  important  part,  as it  may  not require  hiring                                                               
additional teachers.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:51:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  noted that  access to  the road  system is                                                               
helpful, but  the cost and  accessibility of  fuel is one  of the                                                               
major factors  in communities today.   Many families  relocate as                                                               
winter  sets in  and  fuel becomes  unavailable or  unaffordable.                                                               
She asked if HB 313 accounts for this type of variable.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARE responded that it  could be beneficial to small schools,                                                               
as the funding  would be based on the previous  year's count.  If                                                               
the enrollment were  to drop below state  minimums, funding would                                                               
still  be   received,  operations  could  be   continued,  and  a                                                               
strategic plan could be created, he opined.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:54:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE asked  whether public  aid funds  are fully                                                               
expended each year, or is it possible to realize a surplus.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARE said  that each budget has fluidity,  and excess funding                                                               
is  placed  in a  reserve  account.    He reported  that  reserve                                                               
balances are currently at about 7.8 percent.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  asked if a  limit is imposed on  the amount                                                               
that can be retained.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WARE answered  that  the  cumulative must  be  less than  10                                                               
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:55:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON noted  that HB  313 changes  the method                                                               
for counting  students, and  directed attention  to page  8, line                                                               
31, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     d) Part-time students shall be  included in the student                                                                    
     count data  and in accordance with  regulations adopted                                                                    
     by  the department.   (e)  When reporting  a district's                                                                    
     ADM,  a  part-time  student  who  is  a  correspondence                                                                    
     student may not  be counted as more  than one full-time                                                                    
     equivalent student.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  asked  if  the  Delta  Greely  School                                                               
District has  correspondence students, and whether  this language                                                               
would effect a change in the status quo.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WARE answered  that the  district  does have  correspondence                                                               
students, and  they are  currently counted at  80 percent  of the                                                               
BSA, as long as  they are enrolled for four or  more credits.  He                                                               
opined that the change would not have a major impact.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON clarified  that the language  would not                                                               
propose to  increase the correspondence  count to 100  percent of                                                               
the BSA.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARE said no.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:57:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK asked  the logic and origin for using  five percent as                                                               
the critical variable rather than three or eight percent.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCAL  indicated that  the current  hold harmless  clause is                                                               
established  at  five  percent, thus,  existing  statute  it  was                                                               
adopted for  inclusion in HB  313.   To a follow-up  question, he                                                               
explained the current hold harmless  clause, which provides that,                                                               
if a school  district loses five percent of  their students based                                                               
upon the  adjusted student  count for the  schools, in  the first                                                               
year following the loss, only  25 percent of the expected funding                                                               
is retained by the state; 75  percent is received by the district                                                               
in order to continue operating and  then declines for each of the                                                               
next four  years, if enrollment  does not increase, with  a final                                                               
result of zero funding.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:59:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  noted  that  the   bill  contains  a  provision  for                                                               
supplemental  funding,  and  asked  for clarity  on  the  funding                                                               
source.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCAL deferred to legal  counsel, and stated his belief that                                                               
funds would be appropriated from the supplemental budget.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:01:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCAL   continued  to  explain  the   considerations  being                                                               
scrutinized  to ensure  that every  school district  will benefit                                                               
from the proposed legislation,  including the foremost advantages                                                               
of funding stability and staff retention.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:02:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE interjected  the  importance of  retention,                                                               
and asked  committee members to  consider staff changes  in their                                                               
offices  and  the  disruptive  effects  that  are  inherent  with                                                               
turnover.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:03:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCAL pointed  out that  the first  seven pages  of HB  313                                                               
primarily  contain the  necessary conforming  language.   He then                                                               
turned to  page 8, line  4, to point  out where new  language has                                                               
been inserted to  change the hold harmless clause.   Moving on to                                                               
line  21,  he  paraphrased  the  language  which  read  in  part:                                                               
"determination of  its state aid  for the succeeding  fiscal year                                                           
following the  count period".  Thus,  he said the count  that was                                                           
conducted  this  fall would  be  used  for the  following  year's                                                               
funding.  The hold harmless clause is  set at five percent.  If a                                                               
district's  enrollment  increases  by   five  percent,  or  more,                                                               
funding will be  provided from the supplemental  budget, equal to                                                               
the increase in the adjusted ADM  for the fiscal year.  He opined                                                               
that  for many  school districts,  such as  Delta Greely,  a five                                                               
percent increase,  representing 50-60 students, unless  they were                                                               
all entering one  grade level, may or may not  result in the need                                                               
for additional staff.  Finally,  the changes beginning on line 28                                                               
include new subsections  to allow adjustments to  the count based                                                               
upon existing  statutes, and  to eliminate  the possibility  of a                                                               
part-time  or correspondent  student  being counted  twice.   Mr.                                                               
Pascal   referred  to   the  committee   packet  handout   titled                                                               
"Statewide Average  Daily Membership Fiscal Year  1988-2011," and                                                               
said  it  is important  to  note  that  the enrollment  has  been                                                               
primarily  flat for  the last  10  years.   Considering that  the                                                               
state  has an  overall  stable student  enrollment  may make  the                                                               
process easier,  he opined.   He then  directed attention  to the                                                               
second page of  the handout, to explain the  two charts comparing                                                               
equal  percentage  increases  and   decreases  as  applied  to  a                                                               
hypothetical ADM.  The charts cover  a six year period from FY12-                                                               
FY18, and calculate totals for  the current and proposed methods,                                                               
with  the  resulting  differences,  to  illustrate  the  proposed                                                               
budgeting and funding scheme.   He finished reviewing the charted                                                               
totals,  and  said an  issue  may  arise  if  the ADM  follows  a                                                               
constant  increase, as  a district  would experience  a continued                                                               
budget  shortfall.   However,  ADM decreases  would  result in  a                                                               
district being ahead  each year.  The districts would  need to be                                                               
prepared to handle continued increases.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:12:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA questioned the  downside of the scheme, and                                                               
asked:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Who's  holding the  bag? ...  Somebody  is keeping  the                                                                    
     debt a little  longer. ... The state  actually winds up                                                                    
     giving  more  ...  longer,  and  ...  there's  probably                                                                    
     interest ... that comes into this picture.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCAL responded  that earned  interest on  reserve accounts                                                               
was not  scrutinized for the  purposes of the presentation.   The                                                               
focus of the  bill is to stabilize the situation.   A fiscal note                                                               
is attached for  review, but the direct answer to  who is holding                                                               
the bag is that, he said, "It depends."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:14:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  added  that  the   level  of  scale  is  a                                                               
variable, and  also where the enrollment  changes occur; however,                                                               
the total  state education  appropriation remains  the same.   He                                                               
noted  that a  district experiencing  a high  rate of  growth may                                                               
have more of  a challenge to cover costs.   He reminded that some                                                               
districts, such as  Delta Greely, are allowed to retain  up to 10                                                               
percent of budget overages to  create a reserve from the surplus.                                                               
Municipalities  will often  retract surplus  school funding,  but                                                               
that is another matter to be considered, he suggested.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:16:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  cautioned that some  districts may benefit,  but some                                                               
may  not, and  asked  whether the  Association  of Alaska  School                                                               
Boards  (AASB) and  the school  superintendents association  were                                                               
consulted, along with EED, during the bill drafting process.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCAL  assured that various  educational entities  have been                                                               
approached; however, feedback is  still being received.  Concerns                                                               
are  being scrutinized  and complications  are under  discussion,                                                               
but the comments have primarily been positive.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:19:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCAL  moved to the  third page  of the handout,  with three                                                               
similar   charts  illustrating   further  examples   of  possible                                                               
outcomes, again  comparing the current  and proposed  methods and                                                               
the  differences.   The end  result in  all scenarios  is similar                                                               
under  either method.    He  said the  first  year represents  an                                                               
adjustment year,  and strategies will  need to be  identified for                                                               
initiating  the  program  while providing  appropriate  financial                                                               
support to districts.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[A  brief conversation  ensued to  ascertain the  relationship of                                                               
the theoretical numbers presented in the charts.]                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:26:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT said  in the  Anchorage area  school ADM's                                                               
may  fluctuate by  as  much as  500, and,  applying  that to  the                                                               
example ADM of $5,680, that represents  $2.8 million.  In a given                                                               
year, the enrollment swings could  represent millions of dollars,                                                               
and he asked for further  information on how large districts will                                                               
be handled.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCAL  said  the  larger  districts  have  been  a  concern                                                               
regarding  how  to minimize  the  impacts,  and the  dialogue  is                                                               
continuing.  He  pointed out that Anchorage is  allowed to retain                                                               
10 percent of their total budget,  and if a three or four percent                                                               
increase  were to  occur,  it  would only  require  that a  small                                                               
portion of the reserves be  used to cover enrollment increases in                                                               
the first year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT opined  that the district may  not create a                                                               
reserve  with any  surplus, but  rather apply  it to  an existing                                                               
need.  He cautioned against  the presumption that a district will                                                               
reserve surplus funding.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:29:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE reiterated  that  the municipalities  often                                                               
retract  the surplus  funds.    He offered  examples  of how  the                                                               
percentage   points  could   be  manipulated   to  mitigate   the                                                               
situation, and  further, suggested that statute  could be amended                                                               
to restrain municipalities and allow  districts to retain surplus                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:31:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA offered  that  the politics  of size  does                                                               
have  an impact.   A  question  of what  part health  plays in  a                                                               
community is  easily answerable in a  small area, but in  a large                                                               
community it  is more difficult  to answer.   She noted  that the                                                               
arrival  of a  student into  a  small school,  following the  ADM                                                               
count, may present a burden, while  in a larger school it may not                                                               
represent a significant impact.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:34:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON stated  his understanding  that the  basic                                                               
premise is to provide funding security; however, he said:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The  question ...  for  the districts  is:   Is  budget                                                                    
     security  on how  many  kids you  had  last year,  more                                                                    
     important than getting the actual  money paid to you to                                                                    
     educate the number of students  you have this year. ...                                                                    
     I  think  that's  the philosophical  difference  and  I                                                                    
     think  we're going  to  have to  hear  from ...  school                                                                    
     districts on that.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  pointed out that intensive  needs students                                                               
are budgeted  at 13  times the  basic BSA.   Thus,  one intensive                                                               
needs  student arriving  or  leaving an  area  would represent  a                                                               
major funding  factor in  a school budget,  and he  asked whether                                                               
that  cost   scenario  has  been   factored  into   the  proposed                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.   PASCAL,  regarding   the  philosophical   premise,  agreed.                                                               
Budgeting  for a  subsequent year,  via  a method  arrived at  by                                                               
basing funding  on a  previous year's ADM,  while not  creating a                                                               
negative impact on  the delivery of education due to  a change in                                                               
the student  count, poses a question;  particularly for districts                                                               
experiencing a  steady increase  in the  ADM.   He said  the same                                                               
amount will  be budgeted but the  question of when the  funds are                                                               
received represents  the major difference;  similar to  a savings                                                               
account  that  pays quarterly  versus  monthly.   Addressing  the                                                               
question of intensive  needs funding, he said it  is being worked                                                               
on with  the department.   Finally, he  pointed out that  EED has                                                               
provided  a  fiscal  note,   which  represents  the  supplemental                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  referred  to  the  charted  examples  and                                                               
suggested  that the  percentages  be lowered  from  five to  two,                                                               
which could then provide an increase in each projected year.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCAL  agreed, and indicated that  it is a matter  of scale,                                                               
with districts being affected differently by a changed ADM.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:41:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked  if  there would  be  a  reason  to                                                               
maintain  the  current hold  harmless  clause,  if this  bill  is                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCAL said  perhaps not.   However,  given the  impact that                                                               
cutting a  teacher position may  represent in a  small community,                                                               
he opined that it's still a good clause to have in place.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE interjected  that some  districts are  tied                                                               
into multi-year  contracts with  teachers, which  would influence                                                               
how a diminished ADM might be handled.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON pointed out  that the current hold harmless                                                               
clause stipulates a  reduction to 75 percent of the  BSA, and the                                                               
proposed legislation  continues funding at 100  percent, based on                                                               
the previous year.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCAL concurred  and said, "We're one year  behind under the                                                               
proposed formula.   So they still  need to be paid  for that year                                                               
the student was actually counted."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  referred to  the bill page  7, line  8, to                                                               
review  the  language,  and  request  a  chart  for  illustrative                                                               
purposes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE agreed, and said  a chart would help clarify                                                               
the proposed concept, and said that  one would be provided to the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCAL  noted that  the idea  for HB 313  was suggested  by a                                                               
school  administrator  and the  intent  is  for  it to  help  all                                                               
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[HB 313 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:48:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  thanked the participants  and announced  the upcoming                                                               
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 9:48 a.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 313 Sponsor Statement.pdf HEDC 2/17/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 313
HB313-EED-ESS-2-14-2012.pdf HEDC 2/17/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 313